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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping and security...
of global youths, hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
Today is the International Day for the Eradication of Poverty.
While UN is fighting against poverty,
it has been revealed that Japan...
has been discriminating against Koreans and Chinese with food.
What do you think about this?
Let me explain the incident first.
There's a famous sushi restaurant popular among tourists.
It's been nicknamed the "Wasabi Terror Incident"...
because an employee here added a lot of wasabi to the sushi served to tourists.
- How can they do that? - So...
- That's rude. - According to the media,
the tourists' sushi had double the normal amount of wasabi.
One of the tourists said...
the employees were laughing at them eating the wasabi-filled sushi.
They said the Japanese employees sniggered at them.
The owner of the restaurant made an unacceptable excuse.
According to the owner, Korean and Chinese tourists...
liked wasabi and asked for extra in their food,
- which is why they added more. - Right.
When I went for sushi with my Korean friends,
- none of them ever asked for extra wasabi. - Right.
What do the people in Japan think about this?
There's been a lot of criticism.
They say sushi has been used as a tool for discrimination...
and call it an embarrassment for Osaka.
Some called the employees an embarrassment to the nation.
Also, on television, a reporter...
actually went and tried the wasabi-filled sushi.
(A reporter went to a nearby restaurant and tried a wasabi-filled sushi.)
(Groaning)
(It's really spicy.)
(This isn't edible.)
There are restaurant reviews on Google Maps...
and this place had good reviews.
- It received five stars but after the report, - So it had rave reviews.
- it lost the stars and the restaurant's name has been changed.
It's now called "Anti-Korean Wasabi Sushi Bar"...
and is marked as having closed down.
This was possible because the users of Google...
can edit the information themselves.
(After the report, it didn't give any wasabi to Koreans, raising more controversy.)
This incident has been reported internationally, I hear.
Yes. In France, the "Japanese Wasabi Terror"...
- "Wasabi Terror". - has been reported through the media.
- It's ridiculous. - Right, it's ridiculous.
- But... - Xinlin, this angers you, right?
Yes. This was reported in China, too,
but Chinese people aren't very surprised by it.
- Why? - Because Chinese people...
are not in the position to criticize the Japanese with food.
We're worse.
- They do worse things to food? - Yes, we're just as bad.
I personally think...
every nation will have good people and bad people.
Just last year, Koreans sold a single portion of kimbap...
- for 10 dollars to Chinese tourists. - What an embarrassment.
Of course, it's childish to discriminate...
and be dishonest to others with food...
but I don't think...
we should criticize the nation as a whole.
We have our share of embarrassments.
I mean, selling kimbap for over 10 dollars,
that's unacceptable. That isn't what all Koreans are like.
I think that's how we all feel.
Yes. I hope such misunderstandings can be cleared.
Not everyone is like that.
How do different countries discriminate against tourists?
In southern Germany, many hotels...
provide "Warning Chinese" pamphlets to other guests...
because of the increasing number of Chinese tourists.
It's not because they are a threat or anything.
- He's trying to act aloof. - On the pamphlets, it just says,
"Don't be shocked by the cultural differences."
"If you want a quiet breakfast,"
"come later than usual, maybe after 10am,"
"because Chinese tourists..."
"will leave for their sightseeing tours by then."
That's what guests are advised to do for a peaceful breakfast.
What do you think about this?
- We can't help it because there are so many of us. - Pardon?
- That's what it is? - We have such a huge population so when we go abroad...
I can understand what shocks foreigners.
- "Why are there so many Chinese people here?" - That's not the problem.
- The problem is... - They are noisy.
About that, let me say this.
I understand we can be noisy because of our intonation.
- We have a distinct intonation so when we get excited, - Right.
- we go like this.
- That's understandable. - How high is that?
- Let's try that out. - Americans are also noisy...
when they get together in Korea.
- Are we noisy? - Once, I met up with a friend...
to go for pizza when we first came to Korea.
It was so noisy because of the Americans there.
- Are French people quiet? - In the mornings, they are quiet.
- They just sip their coffee. - Our language itself isn't noisy.
What's important here...
is that a reporter asked the hotel's manager...
as to why such pamphlets were being provided.
The hotel's excuse was that they weren't discriminating against the Chinese...
but they were concerned other guests may complain.
They wanted to prevent that...
because if they give them prior notice, people don't complain.
- They were worried it may bother other guests. - Here's what I think.
Chinese people feel at home and act freely...
because your countries provide them with great service.
If...
- Is it because people were nice to them? - They felt at home.
- They felt at home. - See it from that perspective.
If everyone saluted them with rifles in hand,
Chinese people will freeze.
- It's hard to act rashly when guns are on show. - That's why...
they love the warm welcome they receive in Korea.
- They love that. - They feel at home.
I'm sure you all raise your voices at home, too.
- Right. So they love the reception here. - Yes.
- That's a new take on the issue. - They feel at home.
- That's ridiculous. - Do you think that's reasonable?
- They like the homely atmosphere. - India was very noisy, too.
It's understandable. You can get excited and be noisy on holiday.
All right.
- In America in 2012, a Korean person... - I know this.
went to a Starbucks and placed an order.
- Normally, they write your name on the cup for you. - Right.
- Instead, the employee drew an offensive caricature. - An angry face.
- That was shocking. - That's offensive.
It happened a couple of times in Germany, too.
After these incidents, Starbucks began an anti-racism campaign...
and on the cups, they printed "Race Together".
That slogan felt so weird...
because you just go to Starbucks for a cup of coffee...
and you're presented with an anti-racism slogan.
You can't really turn to the person next to you and ask their opinions...
so it wasn't received well.
There was a similar case.
Last April, a Korean person bought a bus ticket in Osaka...
and in the name section, they wrote a slang word, Kim "Chong".
"Chong" is a hate word used against Koreans so it raised controversy.
- What does it mean, exactly? - "Chong"...
is actually a swear word that was even forbidden on television.
It's a swear word used to discriminate against Koreans.
The employee that wrote this word on the ticket...
claimed they did not know what the word really meant.
Then why did they write it?
- They wrote it, right? - I'm not sure but they claim...
- Then why would they use that word? - they don't remember.
- What are they talking about? - Is it like "Memento"?
- They must have seen a lot of Koreans... - Of course.
- and Kim is such a common surname. - They knew what they were writing.
You're right.
I apologize.
- You'll be apologizing a lot today. - It'll be another hard day.
(Today will be another uncomfortable day for Oogi.)
In Paris, France,
overpricing against tourists is a huge problem.
For example, if a foreigner orders a 250ml bottle of beer,
they will be given a one liter bottle.
When they receive the bill, they have to pay for that.
- With coffee... - They aren't given an option?
- They are told they only serve one liter bottles? - Yes.
Overpricing against tourists is a big problem in Italy, too.
Good restaurants should provide good service...
but tourists can't complain fluently...
and don't know how the food should really taste...
so some restaurants serve poor quality food to them.
They think, "Tourists don't know how it should taste."
- They overprice the food, too. - Also, tourists can't complain.
- They can't complain. - Right.
Italy, especially cities popular among tourists,
owes much of its economy to tourists...
- so it's awful that they treat tourists that way. - How foolish of them.
- We should be serving tourists even better food. - Right.
In Mexico, tipping is a common courtesy in restaurants.
It's not an obligation...
but servers try very hard to receive more tips.
However, if a customer is very rude,
some servers go to the kitchen staff and ask them to spit in the food.
Also, if a customer is very rude...
and doesn't leave a generous tip,
the next time that person comes to the restaurant,
- they believe they can take revenge. - That's bad.
I try not to complain at restaurants.
If I have to, I wait until I'm done eating.
If I complain while I'm eating,
- You worry about the food? - I feel very anxious.
- You worry they may do something to your food. - Yes,
- so I try not to complain. - I see.
One restaurant or a single person can't represent the country as a whole...
but it could damage the image of the said country.
We should keep that in mind.
We will cover each representative's issues and share diverse opinions.
We discuss all global issues by saying yes or no.
It's Global Side Dishes Time. "What Is So Important?"
(Tapping)
Our German representative will present today's issue.
There was a controversy over Volkswagen's diesel scandal.
It's planning a do a recall in Korea...
one year after the incident was revealed.
But, while Volkswagen was postponing its recall,
Korea suffered a social cost of about 80 million dollars.
The controversy continues.
So I want to bring up this issue and ask for your opinion.
After the problem was revealed,
they haven't been admitting their fault. They are only recently...
carrying out the recall, right?
For the first time in the world, they have to recall all diesel vehicles.
- That must cost a lot. - But Volkswagen's CEO said,
"It's okay. We have the money. We won't go bankrupt by doing this."
They have that much money, yet they tried to save money...
by manipulating the information. It's so embarrassing.
- I don't understand them. - It's embarrassing.
I think it came as a bigger shock because it's a German company.
I was so disappointed.
Germany had a reputation...
for good quality goods. Losing that reputation because of that is so...
You sound like you are being interviewed by German news.
- "I'm so disappointed." - There were especially many recall incidents...
in Korea during 2016.
It wasn't just Volkswagen, but there were also smart phone explosions.
(Exploding smart phone incident)
(Recalling all 1.9 million cellphones)
(In the end, Samsung decided to stop its sales and production.)
There was also the humidifier disinfectant incident.
(Humidifier disinfectant with toxic ingredients)
(About 900 people died in Korea alone.)
There were water purifiers containing heavy metals and...
toothpaste with toxic substances.
There have been many recall incidents for problematic products...
that threaten our lives.
Let's have a vote to see how the representatives think about these recent issues.
With unsafe products with critical flaws or containing toxic substances,
should the company be liquidated? Or should we leave it to consumers' decisions?
Press the button if you think such companies should be liquidated.
In 1, 2, 3.
Christian and Alberto think they should be liquidated.
(6 for consumer choice and 4 for liquidation)
If a person dies...
or becomes critically sick, it's a serious issue.
- They have to take responsibility. - It's a problem even if nobody got hurt.
They made unsafe products...
and sold them to people. They should be liquidated without question.
Everyone can make a mistake.
- But... - A person is a person but a company is a company.
- And... - Think about it this way. If a company makes bad products...
- but is not kicked out... - They didn't do it intentionally.
If you don't kick them out, the company will think that it can make bad products...
- But... - In the end, the consumers and the government...
- He talks but doesn't listen. - They'll just do it and not care.
- They will underestimate the country. - I'll answer to that now.
A company doing a recall is making compensations and showing their stance.
You have to understand that they are admitting the mistake and making compensations.
You have to think from the perspective of the victim.
- Of course.- Let's say you bought Galaxy.
- You still didn't change it? - Let's say it exploded right next to your face...
- and you got hurt. - Won't you use a cell phone then?
- Won't you use one? - I mean...
- Christian. - Hold on.
If a company doesn't perform a recall,
it can hide its fault.
It's better to do a recall then to hide the truth.
- Right. - That's good, but they do a recall because of an incident.
- But let's say Aurélien got hurt. - Christian.
Let's say your cell phone exploded and you got scars.
- This is... - No, I mean...
- You have to think that way. - Wait, Christian.
It's a known fact that you get lung cancer if you smoke.
- That's a choice. - It is a choice.
- But the other case is not about choice. - People make their choices.
A company carries out a recall because it admits its fault.
- You keep talking about the cell phone... - Okay.
You know the company you talked about has many different cell phone models.
Do we have to ban all cell phones...
from the giant company because one model had problems?
Should they never make smartphones again?
- Christian, let's say... - Yes?
we don't liquidate the company but punish those who are responsible.
Replacing the people while keeping the company intact.
If the company made a big mistake... For example, if many people died,
then we should get rid of the company. A new company will be made anyway.
But I think liquidating the entire company is a bit wrong.
Because not everyone working there is at fault.
If you liquidate the company, they will all lose their job.
We should rather take those who hold responsibility. Like the CEO.
Those people should be fired or be sent to jail.
I think the consumers can choose for themselves.
If people lose trust in a product,
nobody will buy it anymore.
Naturally, the company will go out of business.
Nik is right. I think there are parts we can forgive.
Like, I can forgive the electronics.
But if someone does wrong things with food,
it causes huge problems. People die.
- I think that's unforgivable. - That's why...
That's why they do a recall. Because people die...
and get sick, they need to do recalls.
But liquidation is too severe. There was a major recall by Toyota in the U.S.
The cars just accelerated by themselves.
(The accelerator isn't working. We're in trouble. We can't stop.)
- They were recalled. - I had that car.
I put it on sale and the price dropped by 3,000 dollars in one day.
- The secondhand sale price. - The cars accelerated on their own and people died.
But they were recalled and people in the U.S. think the problem is solved now.
People thought that they can buy cars from Toyota now. But if...
Toyota was liquidated,
what would've happened to Japanese economy? There would be many victims.
If you liquidate everything, there won't be cars.
- There won't be cell phones. - There will be.
There are almost no cars that didn't go through recalls.
But there was a case in Italy.
There were so many wines containing methanol.
They usually contain little bit of methanol but these were too much.
So, 30 people died.
Then if they say, "Oh my, we're sorry. We will recall them".
- I don't think that's right. - We should find out if it was intentional.
That's not a recall. That's a fraud.
But I don't think we should say that everything is okay if it wasn't intentional.
That's easy for the company to say. "We didn't do that intentionally".
- "We didn't know." - There was a huge incident in Korea.
- People died and... - Humidifier.
That's actually like, "There was a problem during development."
- "It wasn't intentional." - The ingredients were already banned in other countries.
- They have to take responsibility. - They take complete responsibility.
But not everything is the company's fault.
If the product reached the market, what were the inspectors doing?
The government should take responsibility too.
If we are going to liquidate the company,
we should fire the officials too.
- Yes. - The officials too?
- That is... - In China...
- That's one way to think about it. - So...
- We should fire the officials too? - If we liquidate the company,
the company may be gone but those people can meet again and set up another one.
- They can do the same thing again. - Right.
There was a case like this in China.
It was a milk company.
You heard about this, right? Babies drink the milk.
- The milk contained weird things. - That's why I...
They liquidated the company back then.
But now, the executives of that company gathered again...
and are trying to found a company again.
So, as a person who experienced this in person, I want to say...
- that we shouldn't just blame the company. - That's right.
The country that let the product get to the market.
I think we need to check if the system has problems or not.
Oogi. You think they should be liquidated?
Yes. If a company made something bad,
I think it'd be good for it to be responsible.
- I think it should be liquidated. - What about that sushi restaurant?
- Do you think it should be liquidated? - I think so.
- Really? - Because of too much wasabi?
It's because the person serving the food must have known it.
- About the wasabi. - Right.
Saying that they didn't know is being very irresponsible.
They ruined the image of Japan.
Wouldn't it be wrong for them to be still in business?
Okay. Tell us about recalls in your countries.
- This is a Swiss company. You know Nestlé, right? - Yes.
It started a huge incident.
Maggi's noodles are famous in India.
It has been a very popular brand for over 30 years.
It's kids' favorite food.
Two years ago, its lead content was revealed to be seven times the standard level.
But Nestlé didn't admit it.
When India Food and Drug Administration analyzed it,
they found that much lead in it.
Because of that, the brand that was popular for 30 years was banned.
Its reputation was shattered.
The company suffered a financial loss of about 50 million dollars.
But I saw that Nestlé is back again in a recent news.
I hate companies that do bad things to food the most.
I wish they would feed the food to the people who did it.
Not just feed it to them. They should eat only that for the rest of their lives.
They'd just keep eating that in prison.
There is a famous chocolate producer in the U.S. named Mars.
- It makes M&M, Milky Way and Snickers that everyone knows about. - I love Snickers.
The company is located right next to my parents' house.
- Your parents? - The biggest recall incident in the U.S. this year...
was because a piece of plastic was found inside Snickers.
It was recalled from 50 countries.
Americans are especially very sensitive...
about food safety. Even if there are only few cases,
it's normal for a company to recall everything.
- Don't companies get into major lawsuits for these things? - Yes.
There are many legally mandated recalls too.
But there are many voluntary recalls in the U.S. too.
For sake of their image, I think it'd be good for them...
to quickly recall the product voluntarily.
It must be so devastating.
"Mr. Chairman, a crisis has erupted." "Why?"
"A piece of plastic has been discovered."
- "Why?" - "Who did that?"
"Why is there plastic in there? There should be peanuts!"
Japan had the incident with Toyota...
- He looks falsely accused. - but there's also a famous company called Mitsubishi.
Even in the past, there was a controversial organizational cover-up recall...
but recently, they falsified fuel efficiency gradings.
- It swept them into controversy again. - Why do they do that?
(Our tests showed that there has been an improper falsification...)
(in the results of our fuel efficiency gradings.)
The management sets a goal for a certain level of fuel efficiency.
The employees experimented and tried but couldn't not reach the goal...
- I see. - and the deadline for submission...
- It was imminent. - was imminent. Yes, and because they can't do it again,
they just falsified it.
So the company's sales and production have been limited.
Because of Mitsubishi, our country also...
created a policy of recalling cars.
As soon as Mitsubishi cars entered the Chinese market in 2001,
there was an accident where a car flipped over.
- The car flipped over? - Yes. Due to these issues, China requested for a recall...
but Mitsubishi said because China has no recall policy,
- they didn't recall. - Because there was no such laws?
Right, it was because there was no law. So Chinese people complained...
and in the end, the company apologized and recalled.
Due to that issue, the policy of recall was created in China.
You could lose a lot more by trying to save on small change.
- Recently, because Toyota made faulty airbags, - That's sad.
- that also... - That's a small company named Takata...
- It's an airbag company. - Yes, Takata.
Oogi looks especially sad today.
- He looks sad. - Today,
- there is of a lot to apologize for. - It's not your fault.
A Japanese airbag company has been recalling their products everywhere...
because it had issues worldwide. I heard 16 deaths were related to their product.
- They died? - This is what happened.
When you drive, the airbag usually pops out when you hit something.
- It popped out even when the car didn't hit anything hard. - By itself?
Yes, and when it did, a piece of metal pierced a person in the throat.
A person ultimately died from blood loss. It just suddenly happened while driving.
- That's a murder weapon. - Yes.
It had happened to a Hispanic person...
- in America. - What is all this, Oogi?
(Oh, dear)
- I'm very... - I hope you see a lot of stars today.
- You see stars around you now, right? - I'm sorry.
(He is apologetic for some reason.)
- They say this is the biggest recall in American history. - Right.
This airbag isn't just used by one automobile company.
- It is used everywhere. - It is used everywhere...
so there will be a recall of 70 million cars in America alone.
- The scale is... - But the problem is that out of all the customers,
only 8 million learned about it and their cars were recalled.
The rest still haven't been recalled.
They're just hoping it doesn't happen to them?
Are they just hoping their cars will be fine?
The scale of the recall is well over 10 billion dollars.
- Because of that, the company... - The company is ruined.
- I see. - In Pakistan, what people are sensitive about...
is that in food and makeup, pig-related ingredients...
- must not be used. - Because of your religion.
Right. There is a company called Lays...
- that makes potato chips. - It's famous.
There were rumors that the chips contained pig-related ingredients.
That became a huge controversy but the company didn't recall it.
- Why? - They didn’t admit to it, too. Their image rapidly declined from that.
Since it has to do with religion, the impact of the shock is quite different.
- It's the first time I've heard of that. - There was a similar incident in India.
- You know the hamburger chain, McDonalds? - Yes.
When you eat hamburgers in India, hamburgers are marked green for vegetarians...
but the French fries that are part of the set...
were fried in animal fat that had pig-related ingredients.
Ultimately, that company...
paid up hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation.
- Hundreds of millions? - Yes.
- He pronounced it like this. - Also,
(Hundreds of millions)
But how is it interpreted in your religion?
For example, what if I ate pork without realizing it?
- That's... - Would that be forgiven?
It's not a problem if you eat it without being aware that it's in there.
But if you eat it in full knowledge, it's a problem.
- Right, it's about intent. - Also, drinks in Pakistan...
must not have more than a certain level of alcohol.
Pepsi had more alcohol in its products than that standard.
This was also discovered but Pepsi didn't recall its products.
That's why its image is bad in our country right now.
- Was there an odd recall in Italy? - We had the world's first musical recall.
- Musical? - Yes, a musical recall.
- There's an old movie called "The Mission". - "The Mission".
- It was really popular. - It starred Robert De Niro.
Also, its soundtrack was written by Ennio Morricone so it was so popular.
So they made a musical from the movie.
They started by premiering in Korea.
It ranked first place in reservations. It was really popular.
However, the female lead was a horrible singer.
Who was it?
Also, the Italian actors were saying their lines in English...
but their English pronunciation was terrible...
so the people who went to the musical were so disappointed.
There were so many complaints that it was recalled.
That's shameful. I mean, they are professional actors.
- Kim Young-cheol went to watch "Les Miserables" in Japan. - Yes.
He was really getting into it...
(Laughing)
but right at the serious scene where Jean Valjean introduced himself,
(I am Jean Valjean.)
Young-cheol burst out laughing by himself when he shouldn't.
Since every country has a different recall standard, some countries don't do it...
or keep delaying it.
Was there ever an incident from recall discrimination?
In China, there was an issue with an IKEA drawer.
That drawer fell over easily so a lot of children got hurt.
In America, they stopped selling that model...
but it continued to be sold in China and Korea.
Chinese people requested for a recall...
but by adding the condition that they'll attach the drawer to the wall,
they said they won't compensate with money but with gift cards.
There's a US company that makes various medical equipment.
- That company made artificial hips... - That's a difficult word.
- It really is difficult. - I don't even know where that is on the body.
- Artificial? - It's a company that makes artificial hips.
It's placed in the body through surgery...
but there were a few cases in which it melted.
So these cases were solved through law and all the affected people were recalled.
- Another surgery? - They got the surgery again and replaced it.
But this is the problem. In Korea,
maybe people don't know this product is problematic.
This issue hasn't been resolved within Korea yet.
Apparently some people don't even know they received that product.
Right, how would they know?
(The recall system must be renovated.)
Out of the products you use, what would you like to be recalled?
I want a recall for the MCM bag.
- When Chinese people come to Korea, - Oh, they have bags for men.
- it's a product they must buy no matter what. - It's necessary.
I mean the MCM bag. So when I came on a trip to Korea,
I decided to buy it.
I wanted a black backpack because I like black...
but I was told it was sold out. But that employee...
said the most popular one in Korea was the pink one.
- It's the first time I've heard that. - A pink MCM bag for a man...
- I'd really want to stop him from buying that. - But he said BigBang's G-dragon...
also had that pink bag.
But that only works because he's G-dragon.
- Anyways, I... - Just use it as a daily bag.
believed him at the time so I bought it...
but the most embarrassing thing was that on the first day of school,
I went to school with that backpack.
Honestly, what I thought was that although I'm Chinese,
- I'm sophisticated. - Sophisticated!
Yes, so I carried that bag around but a senior at school said,
"I don't know what's fashionable in your country..."
"but I don't like you coming to our laboratory with that."
From then on, I didn't wear that bag anymore.
- It's expensive. - But...
I'm sure someone on campus thought you were G-Dragon.
- No. - I think it would suit him well for some reason.
(Is that so?)
- You just have to dress like G-dragon from head to toe. - Of course.
(I am G-dragon of Seoul National University's College of Engineering.)
- I think it'd suit him though. - You know Kim Hyung-seok?
- It was due to the outfit. - Hyung-seok went to Paris for the first time...
and there was an outfit he bought but never wore because he wasn't brave enough.
It was a leather jacket that was slightly pink.
He thought he could make it work since Paris is a city of fashion.
He wore it and arrived at the airport.
As soon as he got out of the plane, he bumped into an airport employee.
He said, "I'm sorry, Madame."
(I'm sorry, Madame!)
He said it really shocked him.
(Even Paris could not embrace a man in pink.)
(He shares the pain.)
As expected, Mark wants a recall that's on a different level.
- His level is a little different from ours. - And we were having a good talk!
On eBay, there was a very good white porcelain ceramic from the Joseon Dynasty.
It wasn't fake. It was a genuine product.
- People sell ceramics on eBay? - It was there.
People do.
- There are antique collectors in America too. - They must've taken selfies with it.
So I ordered the product...
and it was completely shattered during delivery.
(The delivery company destroyed it.)
- When the package arrived, I was so excited to open it. - What is this?
I heard something even as I opened that box.
- Oh, it was a sound like this. - Something was...
So you received a Joseon Dynasty white porcelain ceramic through delivery?
- But that was the norm. - Does that make sense?
He had some nerve.
- That's what I mean. - Since I received it in that state,
- I immediately contacted the seller, of course. - Right.
The seller could be contacted up to that point...
- but now it's impossible to contact him. - It was a fake, then!
It wasn't a fake. It was real but it was just shattered.
- From what I know, - It can't have been cheap.
In Japan, some high-end products that are damaged...
get restored with gold...
and get sold at a higher price.
- Really? - Yes, it can be done that way.
Italians are great at restoration too.
We've got the whole restoration business right here.
- I'll give it to you. - I'll resell it.
What's amazing is that while we'd be watching things like soccer highlights,
Mark is shopping for white porcelain of Joseon dynasty.
He's on eBay while we're busy watching highlights.
- Thank you. - The sad thing is you won't be able to recall white porcelains.
We've covered the world issues. "What Is Important?" continues next week.
(Non Summit Meeting)
Today, we have a representative from Philippines.
Please introduce yourself.
(Hello, everyone.)
(I am Celeste David from Philippines.)
Hello, I'm Celeste from Philippines.
I got interested in the Korean culture and cuisine...
so I moved here.
I'm currently going to university here...
and working at a Philippine bank in Korea.
I hear you've got a friend here on the show?
That would be Aurélien.
- He knows everyone. - We studied together at the language school.
- They went to the same school. - What's Aurélien like?
(Nervous)
- He hasn't changed much. He's the same. - We're curious.
- He is? - One thing I remember about him is...
he hung out with Japanese women often back then.
(Aurélien, we want the truth from you.)
90 percent of Japanese woman...
I mean 90 percent of our language class was Japanese.
Even our Japanese representative doesn't have a Japanese girlfriend.
(Killing two birds with one stone)
We continue the show with Celeste on the panel.
Who's the guest for today?
"Why can't you say this person is today's guest?"
Is this Jun Yoo-sung, the comedian?
"Why can't you say this person is today's guest?"
I thought this was Jun Yoo-sung.
She used to be the darling of Korean dramas. Now her name causes fear.
It's the actress, Kim Jung-eun.
"Baby, come on out."
No, I didn't quite get the impression right.
(Korean representative for the 120th episode today will be Kim Jung-eun.)
(Jung-eun is a popular actress from Korea.)
(Bowing)
- Were you all waiting for me to sit down? - Yes.
Let's all sit down. Hurry.
(The panel sits very quickly for her.)
Please introduce yourself.
Hello, I'm actress Kim Jung-eun.
- I've seen you many times. - Nice to meet you.
You've seen her lots? Where did you see her?
- I've seen her in the movie, "Marrying the Mafia". - I see.
May I ask how old he is?
- He's quite old. - She sang well back then too.
I always miss you
Wow, I'm impressed.
I saw you in "Lovers in Paris".
("Lovers in Paris" aired in 2004.)
I also watched your drama "Make a Woman Cry" with my friends.
("Make a Woman Cry" aired in 2015.)
"Lovers in Paris" was popular in the Philippines too.
Oh, really?
What I was worried about was...
that they may not know who I am.
She hasn't been on television for a long time.
It's been six months since she got married.
Congratulations.
(Congratulations)
Aren't you happy now that you're in the honeymoon phase?
It got me asking myself, "Why have I stayed single for so long?"
I keep thinking that.
Because we're having Jung-eun as a guest today,
- Alex from Switzerland who normally sits over there... - Yes.
didn't show up because he thought it was Kim Jung-eun, the dictator.
- He was so shocked. - The one from up north.
(Dictator Kim Jung-eun attended the same school as Alex.)
Jung-eun was senior at school.
- You've got a dictator as your senior. - While attending school.
- Alex went to the same school as Kim Jung-eun. - In Switzerland?
He didn't come to the show today because he was scared.
I was thinking of picking another issue for the show.
Instead of the issue I decided on,
- there was another item I had in mind. - Yes.
- "I'd like to change my name. Am I abnormal?" - That would have been fun.
But I was worried everyone would decide that's normal.
Are you stressed out about your name?
That name's never been a problem until the dictator came along.
Because of him, I can't find articles about me online now.
It's pushed back by all the political news.
I can truly relate to what you're going through.
- Why? - My full name is Jaheed Hussein.
Shall we shake hands or something?
So even when traveling, it takes me a lot more time at the immigration.
- Because your name is Hussein? - Yes, all because of my name...
It takes me much longer at the security checkpoints.
Isn't Hussein as common as Kim in Korea?
- It must be very common. - Yes, it's very common.
But that person is not alive today like the dictator that shares my name.
(I'm still suffering.)
President Obama has Hussein...
as his middle name and that's an easy target.
His detractors like to pick on him for that.
They put the emphasis on the Hussein part...
- And take credits away from Obama. - That was funny.
(The woes of sharing the same name with infamous people are real.)
I've got an episode related to my mother's name.
My mother's name sounds the same as the rapper Zion. T.
- Oh, really? - So his mother is Zion. T.
- Zion. T? - My original name is Gupta Abhishek...
and my mother's name is Gupta Gianti.
I'm also a fan of the rapper and when I'm with my mother,
I'd sing some of his lyrics.
(The lyrics from one of his songs goes "Let's be happy, let's be happy")
My name in Chinese has a very positive meaning.
But my name sounds very similar to...
Wangsimni Station in Seoul.
- Right. - When I first came to Korea for holiday,
I was fatigued after sightseeing...
and dozed off. All of a sudden, I heard my name.
On the train, I heard my name, Wang Xinlin.
My student instinct came alive.
At that moment, I said "I'm here" in Chinese.
I thought they were doing an attendance check.
(He was mistaken.)
People go by their first names...
but Oogi actually is my last name.
- It's your last name? - It's your last name?
People still think it's my first name.
- Hitoshi. - My name is Hitoshi.
- Oh, really? - So it's Hitoshi.
- Hitoshi. - It didn't feel foreign to me.
But then everyone goes by their first names.
Guillaume needs to change his name to Patry.
We're friends now so we can call you on a first name basis.
- He's right. - Mr. Hitoshi.
- Mr. Hitoshi is hard to say. - Mr. Hitoshi.
It'd be weird to change it now.
I think Oogi sounds more catchy and easier to remember.
- Maybe get a brand new name. - We will consider it.
Now we'll begin the 120th meeting.
What's the item on the table for Jung-eun?
The item I brought for today is...
This is my 16th year volunteering...
and observing single mother families.
So I picked this item for today.
I think many families suffer from prejudice.
Am I abnormal?
You say you volunteer and observe single mother families.
Can you expand on that?
There's an organization called Social Welfare Society...
that I've been working with for 16 years.
When you visit these facilities,
there are newborns that are maybe 3 to 5 days old.
Newborn babies should be in the arms of their mothers...
and feel love on a one-on-one basis.
But they're drinking milk on their own.
They feed off a bottle hanging by towels by themselves.
I don't feel like it's someone else's problem.
Putting children up for adoption is a good idea...
but if single mothers can raise their own children,
if they can breastfeed their own babies,
- I think that's the best solution. - For the child.
So we're holding a single mother campaign.
I feel obligated to contribute...
so I came on the show.
Jung-eun brought up the item today.
"I think many families suffer from prejudice. Am I abnormal?"
We'll now begin our debate on the topic.
As times change, family forms change along with that.
We heard certain family types face prejudice in your countries.
Multicultural families are facing problems in France.
- Multicultural families? - Yes.
There are some rules.
In France,
the newest wave of immigrants face the most discrimination.
- I see. - For instance, 120 years ago,
Italian immigrants were the target of discrimination.
Now, people of Arabic and African descent are dealing with it the most.
- Multicultural families face lots of discrimination in Japan as well. - I see.
Japanese people hang onto the belief that Japanese should be racially homogeneous.
In high school, there are times when parents visit the class.
When they show up...
and the parents aren't Japanese,
- the kids could be subject to ridicule and bullying. - They can be teased.
- Really? - Yes.
I believe there are lots of foreigners in Japan though.
- In Japan? - Yes, but discrimination still exists.
(Multicultural families still face discrimination.)
In China, that would depend on the country you're from.
Marriages with people from America and Europe...
are considered acceptable...
but if they were to marry a Japanese person,
they find it hard to sincerely congratulate them.
- They can't sincerely congratulate them? - Why is that?
Maybe it's a very reluctant congratulation.
China and Japan have a history of bad blood.
Is this how they look at such marriages? "Out of all the people in the world,"
- "why marry a Japanese person?" - They think, "Does it have to be Japanese?"
To retort, Japanese people feel the same.
(We feel the same way.)
That can happen.
We also think, "Why choose a Chinese person?"
Hitoshi fires back.
(Hitoshi comes at him with a strong statement.)
In Philippines, they look favorably...
- on international marriages... - Yes.
- but nowadays, brokers are involved... - Marriage via brokers?
and people buy and sell marriages.
- Girls are married off to older farmers in the country... - Right.
- That's common. - and that's a little off.
I'm sure normal multicultural marriages exist.
- That would be better. - Yes.
Marriages that can't be considered good are happening a lot.
How do they feel about Chinese people?
Nowadays, things are not looking good...
- The South China Sea dispute. - because of some disputes.
- You won't even mention the South China Sea. - It's not that.
"That southern sea?"
Yes, because of that issue...
You're so pretty.
That was a random compliment.
They won't truly bless the marriage.
"You're so pretty but the sea belongs to China."
(The sea belongs to us.)
In Pakistan, people think children from multicultural families are classy.
- Classy? - Classy?
What if someone marries an Indian person?
- He said that's normal. - There are no differences.
People think that's a good thing.
A very famous Pakistani athlete married an Indian tennis player.
- It was a very popular wedding. - People are not against it.
It's very similar in Mexico. People call it a racial upgrade.
- Racial upgrade? - Yes, many people think that way.
In fact, I'm from an upgraded family too.
My dad's grandparents are from Spain.
His great-grandparents were Arabic.
And my grandmother's husband was Italian.
- I can see the variety in you. - Right.
- That's a massive upgrade. - That's a lot.
I think the term upgrade...
I hate people who think of it that way.
- Our race is already great. What is there to upgrade? - You're right.
- You think the opposite way. - Exactly.
Mix is okay, but upgrade is...
I think all Americans...
are multicultural families.
- It's a very diverse country. - Right.
Mark Zuckerberg too.
His wife is Chinese-American.
It's so common but there is one thing I'm sad about.
In fact, if a Caucasian person...
marries an African-American person,
there are still some regions where discrimination remains.
- Really? - In some regions,
- Although their president is African-American... - traces of it remain.
- You're right. - There is no term like multicultural family in Italy.
- You said it before. - Since the old times,
- there were so many foreigners. - It's so normal there.
Thinking of it as a weird thing is weird in itself.
There isn't anything specifically good...
or bad about it. I think it's the same.
- You're right. - Right.
Which family do you think faces the most discrimination?
I think it's the adoptive families...
and unmarried mother families.
I heard that the adoption rate is continuing to decrease.
It's because an unmarried mother has to...
- register the child as her child in order to get him or her adopted. - Really?
The child can only be adopted after that.
What kind of parent would say,
"Okay. Let's register the child as ours and then put up for adoption"?
Nobody can do that easily.
There are many oppositions by the families.
I think there are so many prejudices...
against unmarried mothers that people don't realize.
According to a study by Korean Women's Development Institute,
they are the second most discriminated group of people after homosexuals.
Are their discrimination against unmarried mothers in your countries?
What do people think?
In China, it's practically impossible...
for an unmarried woman to have a child.
It's because the country doesn't give birth permits.
The child can't get a birth registration...
and won't have any rights.
Later on, the family has to pay hefty fine to register the child...
as a member of the family because the child won't have birth registration.
Some people give up the registration because of the fine.
If they do that, the child becomes an invisible person.
- They have no rights. - They are not registered.
- Right, nothing at all. - Right.
It's similar in Japan.
There is a word for unmarried mothers in Japan too.
But compared to other countries, there are very few unmarried mothers in Japan.
There are very few of them.
People think that you have to get married if the woman gives birth to a child.
They didn't want a child...
but ended up getting one.
So, they get married. Those words are put together.
- It's regarded as a very negative thing. - That's negative.
- It's negative. - I thought getting married...
was a very positive thing. But under it...
Because people have very negative notion,
women in their teens or 20's...
try to hide their pregnancy.
There are many incidents like where they give birth in a public bathroom.
There was shocking news in 2013.
A 17-year-old woman gave birth in a bathtub.
But she didn't want to let people know.
So, she buried the child...
in a baseball field.
But a middle school student found out.
The student reported the incident and the mother was caught.
Koreans use the term unmarried mothers, but Germany has a different term.
It's "alleinerziehende mutter".
It doesn't matter whether the woman is divorced or not married.
We just call them single mothers.
There are no negative perspectives about them.
People think of them as amazing women who manage to do a difficult job.
They ended up raising children by themselves,
but they didn't give up and are raising the children well.
It's the same in France.
People don't discriminate unmarried mothers or divorced families.
It's just "famille de monoparentalité".
- That's nice. - It means single-parent family.
- That's the term used in France. - It's because...
In France, amongst families with children,
- single-parent families make up 20%. - There are a lot, right?
- That's a lot. - Yes.
The fact that they didn't make the term unmarried mother means...
that they don't discriminate.
Although I kept using the term unmarried, many people in Korea also say,
"We should just use the term..."
- "single-parent family." - That might be better.
The number of unmarried mothers...
is increasing in Philippines these days.
There are especially many cases...
where the father of the child is a foreigner.
- It's both an unmarried mother family and a multicultural family. - Yes.
There is a term called Kopino.
It refers to children born between a Korean parent and a Filipino parent.
There are cases where the father runs away.
The number of those children is increasing these days.
(When my mom was six months pregnant,)
(my Korean dad left my mom and ran away.)
(There is now even a website to find the Korean fathers who ran away.)
Don't people think negatively of Koreans because of Kopinos?
- Because there are lots of them. - The impression is negative...
because Korean men mostly meet the women...
in clubs, bars or brothels.
In places where there are many brothels.
There is a city named Angeles.
In cities like Angeles,
- I think people have negative impressions about Korean men. - Is it bad?
Is it just Kopinos? Or are there other...
There used to be many children with an American parent.
Because of the American soldiers.
- These days, Korean people... - It's Koreans.
There are tourists and people who come to study...
but other Korean men...
come to visit the brothels.
There are people who visit Philippines for that.
Abortion is illegal in Philippines.
So, you can't find a hospital that performs abortion.
There are some hospitals that do it...
but they are unlicensed.
- Or... - It's more dangerous then.
- Illegal operations. - Yes, they do illegal operations.
So, the mothers who want abortion...
- take medication... - Gosh.
or do the operation themselves. - Gosh.
- It's more dangerous because of that. - That's dangerous.
It's a huge problem in Philippines.
Every day, three women die...
from self-abortion.
- There are no hospitals for it. - Right.
In France, it's up to 12 weeks.
Up the 12 weeks pregnancy, abortion is legal.
- It's legal. - Yes. Since 20131,
the country covers 100% of the operation cost.
I think abortion...
is women's basic right.
- I think so. - A right?
I think it's a right.
The unmarried mothers who become mothers at a very young age...
find it difficult to be accepted in the country.
In fact, if we...
"I'm young..."
"and I somehow became an unmarried mother."
"I want to raise my child." Let's say there is a mother like that.
Shouldn't people help her and support her?
- But there is no support. - Right.
Legal support is necessary...
but we also need social supports.
When a child of a single mother goes to school in India,
the kids make fun of him or her.
- That's right. - "Don't you have a dad?"
We need improvements in many areas.
When I was in high school, my friend became a father.
At that time, he didn't quit school.
- We didn't think of it as weird either. - You didn't.
- We were actually very curious. - You were the uncles.
Yes, all three of us became uncles. He now has three children.
- He has three daughters. - His first child must've grown up a lot.
(He formed a happy family under warm support.)
There are people who become successful...
despite the hardships of being unmarried mothers.
I think it'd be nice to talk about...
the most successful unmarried mothers and their children.
- Everyone knows Steve Jobs, right? - Right.
His mother was also...
a very young unmarried mother.
He is a person who became very successful.
- He was too successful. - Right.
- Very successful. - Yes, he was highly successful.
Oprah Winfrey's mother was also an unmarried mother.
- Oprah Winfrey became an unmarried mother herself later. - Right.
There are lots of people like that who became successful.
In U.K, Joanne Rowling, the author of "Harry Potter",
was an unmarried mother. She went to a cafe with her daughter...
and fell asleep. That's when she thought of "Harry Potter".
- And there is also a singer named Eric Clapton. - Yes.
- Yes, he is famous. - Is he also...
His mom wasn't much older than him,
so he thought she was his sister.
His grandfather gave him a guitar when he was young.
He became successful with it.
Lastly, have you heard...
- You know Justin Bieber, right? - Yes.
Who is that?
- He... - Sing his song for us.
(Are you sure?)
If he sings, you will be even more confused.
His mom is only 17 years older than him.
He was talented in music since he was young,
so his mom recorded him singing and uploaded it to social media.
It drew people's attention.
(His mom's support made him a star.)
This person didn't become successful after becoming an unmarried mother.
She already was successful.
- It's Ando Miki, a figure skater. You know her, right? - Yes.
When she retired, she said she will become an unmarried mother.
- She said she will have a child but not get married. - She said it herself?
But she didn't tell people who the father was.
Does she have to tell who the father is?
- She doesn't. - I think it doesn't matter.
- But the way people reacted... - The conservative people.
- It's because people are interested. - Yes, I think they're very conservative.
There is a very successful child of an unmarried mother in Italy.
- Who is it? - Leonardo da Vinci.
- Really? - Yes, he was...
- That's a very old person. - He is a textbook example.
He is like Steve Jobs.
He was born as an illegitimate child.
It's said that his dad was a notary.
- A notary? - He was very rich.
But the father didn't accept the child as his son.
He was raised by his grandfather.
He was raised by his grandfather and became a great person.
A famous person in Korea...
A child who was raised by a single parent...
I wish there was a famous person like that.
I thought you were talk about such a person.
- Then you said, "I wish". - There isn't one.
- There will be in the future as people's perspectives change. - Yes.
There is a famous person in France who was...
adopted from Korea.
She is famous in both Korea and France. Fleur Pellerin.
- Say it again. What? - What?
- I didn't... - Aurélien?
Aurélien, please say it again.
Fleur Pellerin.
- Fleur Pellerin. - Fleur Pellerin.
- There is a person named Fleur Pellerin. - She is amazing.
- She was the former Minister of Culture and Communications. - I can't say it.
- A minister? - Yes.
She was born in Korea,
but she was adopted by a French family when she was six months old.
Koreans consider her to be a Korean person to be proud of.
- But if you ask Fleur Pellerin. - Fleur Pellerin?
If you ask her, she considers herself to be 100% French.
- That's right. - I think so too.
She was only in Korea for six months by the time she was adopted.
- That's right. - I think it's wrong for us to call her a Korean person.
- It's better to call her a great French person. - Yes.
- That would be the more polite thing to do. - Yes.
Let's talk about same-sex marriage now.
Same-sex marriage is becoming legal around the world.
It says that it will become as numerous as single parent families.
How is it in your countries?
Families that face the most discrimination are LGBT families.
The national statistical office carried out a survey.
About 81% of the population are discriminating...
towards LGBT. The discrimination is very severe.
It's because of the Catholic Church...
and male-dominated culture.
The discrimination is very severe.
But these days, things are getting better.
A Polish priest...
who taught theology in the Vatican...
recently made a coming out.
Of course, he can't be a priest anymore. It was a big scandal.
But the pope addressed the issue and said this for the first time ever.
"LGBT are part of our present."
"They are God's children."
- The pope said that, so the perspective is changing a lot. - So, he accepted them.
India doesn't acknowledge same-sex marriages.
According to article 377 in Indian Law,
same-sex marriage is still illegal.
At worst, people can face life imprisonment.
- Life imprisonment? - Yes.
There are many controversies because of this law.
There is the law, but people don't really hate LGBT.
Drama and other media...
tell many stories about LGBT.
But the law stands as is.
It turned out to be more than expected in Japan.
A study stated that 7 out of 100 people are LGBT.
In fact, companies are trying very hard.
There is a cell phone company named SoftBank.
They are setting discounted prices for LGBT families.
- A discount? - Because they are family?
People are making efforts to accept them as families.
In Philippines, same-sex marriage...
is not yet allowed by law.
But people's perspective...
isn't too negative.
They have a very bright impression.
They are considered to be people who make others happy.
- That's true. - People think of it positively.
And there are so many famous celebrities.
Boy Abunda...
is a famous show host.
He lives with a gay man.
A transgender person...
became a member of the national assembly for the first time.
- People are very open-minded. - So, it's not a problem in Philippines at all.
When you think about Pakistan,
people often think these things won't ever be allowed.
But the country acknowledges transgender individuals.
The government gave many tax collector jobs to transgender individuals.
- Why? - If a male tax collector visits a house where a woman is living alone,
it can be awkward to talk.
But these people...
are very friendly with both men and women...
from the first time they meet.
- They do well. So they get many jobs like that. - They work well?
They consider them to be a third gender.
- Yes, as a third gender. - Not as men or women.
In Korea, Tony Hong...
- changed people's perspectives in this part a lot. - He did.
- He... - But same-sex marriage is still illegal in Korea.
- That's right. - It's not legal. Marrying is not allowed.
So they can't adopt children or...
In France, in 2013,
same-sex marriage law was passed.
Since then, same-sex couples...
- can adopt children. - Really?
Is that actual marriage?
- It's real marriage. Since 2013. - Or...
- It's a legal marriage. - Because in Germany,
they can't get married. But they can have a partnership.
- There is no difference between that and marrying. - Right.
- It's same in all legal aspects, but the term is different. - No marriage?
Can they adopt children?
The couple can't adopt a child together,
but one of them can adopt a child and live together as family.
If so, it's not officially legal then.
About legalizing adoption...
and children raised by same-sex couples,
there are many issues. What is allowed in the U.S?
First of all, same-sex marriage...
became legal everywhere in the U.S. last year.
It used to be different in each of 50 states.
Adoption is legal too.
It's legal, but it's still controversial.
It's because now...
It hasn't been long since same-sex couples started adopting children.
There are many people who believe a child...
- needs both the influence of a father and a mother. - That's a bit...
It's legal but there are studies going on.
There are many studies being carried out.
- How? - I think that's a lie.
By the conservative people.
There have been same-sex couples since the 80's.
Before same-sex marriage laws were passed.
- The results say that it's okay. - Really?
There are studies with results like that...
and there are ones showing opposite results. So, it's legalized...
but there are people who still think it's controversial.
Let's have a vote right now.
Let's have a vote and see how you think.
Do you agree or disagree with same-sex couples adopting children?
Those who agree, in 1, 2, 3.
- Agree. - Who are the four people?
(8 agrees and 4 disagrees)
- Alberto... - Same-sex couples' child adoption.
Nik, Celeste, Jung-eun and Oogi.
I'm not against it but I'm worried.
I think there will be many concerns...
over how to educate the child.
- What kind of education? - Hold on. Listen to me first.
Same-sex couples are not yet...
treated very nicely by the society.
To the child, his or her dad loves dad but is being discriminated.
How will you explain that?
And let's say, the dad...
Let's say the dads tell their son,
"You can love someone you love."
Then they send their son to school.
The son goes to school, tries to kiss other boys and get scolded for it.
Then he will be confused again.
This is why I oppose it.
When the child grows up, he or she might be completely against it.
How will that person treat his or her parents?
Even when the person is choosing a person to marry...
- The child will be confused. - Yes, it's confusing.
- But usually... - If his or her family...
- You need to change the social atmosphere. - Right.
In the person's perspective...
Oogi said it well.
He says we have to create the social atmosphere.
The society isn't ready yet.
Isn't this how the society will change?
- But as of now, realistically... - That's right.
The child needs to go to school, go to preschool...
- and make friends. But in this environment, - That's right.
I think it will be hard for the child...
in the current society. That's why I voted against it.
Ethnically speaking, I think I shouldn't be against it. But I'm still against it.
Because if a child is raised by same-sex parents...
in the current society,
- it's very likely that he or she will become an outcast. - The child...
- There is a term called "Gayby". - "Gayby"?
A child of a same-sex couple is called a gayby.
There is a blogger and the person is a gayby. His parents are lesbians.
- He said he hated it so much. - Really?
He said that there are many people who feel the same way...
amongst his friends, other gaybies,
but they can't express it.
Because it would hurt their parents' feelings.
I see. They're like that if they experienced pain.
In Japan,
if the father is a foreigner and the mother is Japanese,
their child could be bullied at school, right?
What if due to those reasons,
they say a foreigner must not have a child with a Japanese person?
- Right. - If a law like that was created,
- it'd be ridiculous, right? - Right.
But are you saying interracial marriage should be forbidden because of this?
- I never said there shouldn't be. - That can't be.
- But you said... - I just meant it could be painful for the child.
- He's not saying it shouldn't happen. - He's not.
He's getting very worked up by himself.
- It was a comparison. - I think it was just confusion.
- You've gone red. Are you okay. - I was frustrated.
- No, I was just so frustrated. - Right. Take a deep breath.
(Did I get too worked up?)
There are more children waiting to be adopted...
- other than those who have been adopted. - That's true.
Kids without parents are already in pain.
If so, even if the parents are homosexual,
if there's a family that will love them,
- it's a great thing. - That's what I said.
The prospective parents' sexuality is not what matters.
- We're all just people. - Right.
There was a similar situation in America.
Multicultural households are in a similar situation.
For example, if I said to my parents...
that I'll marry an African-American,
most parents would respond like this.
- "We're not racists..." - But they don't like it?
"but we're just really worried about our future grandchildren."
"Since they are mixed-race,"
- "they may be discriminated against in school." - Discrimination!
"We're not discriminating. We're just worried about that happening."
That's how they'd try to persuade me otherwise...
but even that's discrimination, I think.
Society will never change...
if we don't change.
- Society... - I want to say this to Mark.
Currently, regarding LGBT,
- society is starting to change its laws now. - Right.
I think adoption by LGBT couples should come...
after society understands...
what LGBT really is.
He said society is not ready yet.
Then when will society...
- be considered ready? If we don't begin... - Right.
- right now... - We've said this though.
I empathize with what Nick said. I do understand.
- It's a very sensitive issue so it must not be rushed. - That's true.
- We must sufficiently think about the safety of the child. - Right.
But what is the standard for "sufficient"?
I think same-sex couples...
could raise children very well.
If they love each other and treat the child well, there's no problem.
If we don't legalize it,
- there's no opportunity for society to change. - That's true.
Of course, it'll be really difficult for the children when they're first adopted.
They may be teased and so on...
but I think it can change little by little.
For example, if there's even one famous celebrity who was adopted,
the view on this issue would immediately change.
Anyways, there's nothing we can actually change.
Nothing changes from us sitting here and chatting for three hours.
But if we create a small wave through just talking about it,
viewers would think about this issue at least one more time.
"I see! Even same-sex couples want to adopt."
I think it's meaningful for us to just mention it.
I don't want people to say something is weird.
- Right. - When you say a family is weird, it creates a criterion for bad families,
so I think we should just not say things like that at all.
They're just different.
Family types are changing a lot. Are there any trending types in each country?
In Korea, the number of single-person households is increasing.
It's the complete opposite in Mexico.
In Mexico, the extended family type...
- has come to exist. - It's about the huge families.
There's a very famous saying. I mentioned it last time.
"My house is your house."
"My house is your house"?
- It's very forward. - Actually, that saying is usually...
..just said as a greeting.
- It's to tell someone to be at ease. - but some people take it literally.
They'd take it literally so they'd come in with a bag...
and say they'll stay for a month. There are people like that.
Having no other choice, many Mexican families...
became huge, extended families. There is a ton of those cases.
- They just come in because your house is my house. - "Your house is my house!"
In the eastern region of India, there's a man who's 66 years old.
The house he lives in has 100 rooms.
He has 39 wives.
- Pardon? - He has 94 children.
He has 33 grandchildren.
He has the world's biggest family.
He's not an elementary school principal?
It's really like a small elementary school.
Cases like this even surprised me...
- because polygamy is illegal in India. - Right.
If he was reported, he'd be caught by law.
But even his wives who live together...
don't report him. I heard they are very close to each other.
The wives? They call each other friends and such?
(I knew from the start he was going...)
(to marry a lot of wives.)
(But I don't mind.)
(I love him and that's why I stay with him.)
In 1 day, they eat almost 120kg of rice.
- They also eat 30 chickens and 60 potatoes. - 30 chickens?
They're practically operating a hotel.
- There must be a lot of competition. - If someone snuck in, no one would know.
- You'd say, "Father!" - Wang Xinlin...
"Don't you remember me, Father?"
"How many times have you forgotten me?"
- "It's me!" - That's funny.
They could live like that for two months.
The new family type that's becoming a hot issue in America right now...
- is open marriage. - Open marriage?
They love each other but through mutual consent,
- both of them can date other people. - Pardon?
Through mutual consent,
- both of them can date other people. - Pardon?
So the wife...
could have a boyfriend...
- or the husband could have a girlfriend. - That's liberal.
- This happens a lot in liberal areas, right? - Right.
- Right. - Silicon Valley is an example.
So as they innovate their technology,
they also innovated their marriages.
- It's very innovative, isn't it? - That's what they say.
Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google,
- was also rumored to be in an open marriage. - Really?
- Is he in an open marriage? - Then why marry at all?
- Exactly. - A wife who's in an open marriage...
said meeting other men...
gives her new energy.
As a parent, with that new energy,
she could be a better mother to her children.
- It's very innovative. - This could happen.
You could be watching TV at home...
but suddenly your wife could come into the house with her boyfriend.
- Right. - Exactly. What would they do?
- They'' probably sit down and eat something. - "Hi!"
"What's up, man?"
What's really interesting about this is that they have levels of priority.
Like India, not everyone's a wife.
- There's a main woman and... - She's my wife while she's just my girlfriend.
- She'd just be a girlfriend. - The wife is considered most important.
- She comes first. There are ranks. - Wait.
- Why would you value your wife so much and yet meet other women? - Exactly!
Couples are doing it through mutual consent.
I have one friend who's only in open relationships.
He's a guy and he said there are rules.
- What rules? - For instance, you can't bring the girlfriend or boyfriend home.
So it's impossible for them to run into each other.
Jung-eun. You're against open marriage, right?
Hey, I've only been married for six months.
Anyways, it's very interesting...
- and it'd be unimaginable for our country. - Exactly.
It's a shocking policy.
There's another controversial marriage type in America.
It's to marry oneself.
- What are you talking about? - It's self marriage.
- Marry myself? - It makes a person look...
- so pitiful. - "Would you marry me?"
(It's a self-wedding ring.)
You'd hold a mirror.
(It's a kiss of love to oneself.)
(You exchange rings with yourself.)
- Gosh. - People who marry themselves...
- are actually mostly women. - Pardon?
Women think marriage...
is a useless system created by a male-dominant society.
They think, "What's most important is to love oneself..."
"so I will marry myself." They have actual weddings.
They invite all their friends and even wear a wedding dress.
- By herself? - They throw a bouquet. Some people in self marriage...
do it to gain legal benefits.
"By marrying myself,"
- "I will have the legal benefits of married people." - They want legal benefits.
But if you sleep with someone else, would it be cheating?
- You're cheating on yourself. - It's an affair.
Then you would slap your own face.
Who in the world are you going to marry?
He'll marry himself.
(Mark plans to marry Mark at a hanok.)
- Will it be at a Korean hanok? - That makes sense.
Mark Tetto, will you take Mark Tetto to be your...
And then he'd cry by himself.
What's funny is that when I moved to Korea,
I didn't even ask but my parents said, "If you go to Korea..."
"and marry a Korean girl, we're fine with that."
- They must have been worried. - I hadn't even asked.
- His eyes... - "Oh, okay then. Thank you."
- What kind of Korean women do you like? - If you know any good women...
- His ideal type is Han Hyo-joo. - Han Hyo-joo?
Your standard is way too high.
Are you abandoning him after asking him?
It's just going to end with, "Your standard is way too high."?
I'll look around for a girl for you.
- The only thing that matters is whether she's a good person. - Right.
In Japan, there's something called the virtual family.
It literally means you have a virtual family.
They won't be really dating...
but they'll go somewhere where they can experience it.
For example, if he's a guy, he'd go to a maid cafe.
(Laughing)
- Then does a maid give him coffee? - Things like that...
- Oogi! You don't go to such places, do you? - I do not!
He denied it so awkwardly.
- He can go for the experience. - Yes, we were just asking.
A service for women was also created in 2012.
It's "Rent a Man".
It means that you can rent a middle-aged man.
- You rent a middle-aged man? - There's one right here.
It's a middle-aged men rental service.
The fee is universally just 10 dollars.
If you pay 10 dollars, you can rent him for an hour.
- Isn't that too little? - It's 10 dollars for an hour?
- What do they do? - Female students would rent them for consultation on life.
I see! The middle-aged man is like a father to them.
Why don't they just go to their own fathers?
If he's her real father, she'd have a hard time talking to him.
- I see. There are embarrassing topics. - She could talk to him about those.
It's because her real parents are not carrying out their proper roles.
(Virtual family substitutes for the original family.)
- We'll wrap this up with a heart-warming question. - Yes.
What do you think family is?
I think family is like a clock.
It can't work if even one small part is missing.
That's why family members must understand and help each other.
They must work together.
I don't think a perfectly ideal family type exists.
Whether it's a same-sex couple or a heterosexual couple...
and whether there are 1 or 2 people, what's important...
is that they love, respect, and be considerate of each other.
If they want to be family together...
and there's a lot of affection, then it's a family.
This was Kim Jung-eun's case for the 120th Non Summit Meeting.
"I think many families suffer from prejudice. Am I abnormal?"
(Hesitating)
- Regarding this case... - Do it well, Se-yoon.
"I think many families suffer from prejudice. Am I abnormal?"
(Hesitating)
- Regarding this case, - Do it well, Se-yoon.
They say human beings have two dogs in their hearts.
- Really? - What kind of dogs are they?
It's Prejudice and Stereotyping.
When you get old you get sore necks, too.
- Right, you'd grow it right here. - They are the three dogs of life.
That's why there's a big dog that kicks out these two dogs.
That's "Seeing is believing".
Don't just blabber. If you look around a little more,
wouldn't there be a wave that creates a world in which everyone is happy?
It's like a public awareness advert.
(We hope that day comes.)
Jung-eun, quickly tell us how you feel about appearing on our show...
since he's very embarrassed right now.
First of all, from these young men,
(He's only a little younger than her.)
I feel like I received a ton of energy so it was really fun.
I'll keep watching Non Summit Meeting as a fan.
- It was great to meet you all today. - Thank you.
(Thank you.)
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
- Until the day we all become normal, - Many are waiting for her to be active.
They're waiting for Jung-eun to act in a drama, movie or be in a variety show.
That's why I prepared this song.
(Come back, my dear)
(Come back to television)
(You're the only person I can think of)
Wow, the sound really comes out from here.
We adjourn our meeting.
(I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.)
A baby born from parents with a genetic disorder and a donor's DNA...
is causing a stir as a baby with three parents.
Man's greed is endless.
They made this choice because they wanted their own child.
Since there are three, it's a different person's kid.
That's only because you haven't experienced it yourself.
The child also doesn't know what will happen.
Have you thought about the parents?
It's the question of whether we can create life through putting DNA together.
Here is Song Ji-hyo.
Each country must have a lot of famous extramarital affairs.
The president of BMW...
Author of "Dissatisfaction of the Limbs" had five affairs.
He should have tried to not make mistakes. Love is between two people.
It's for your own self.
- Love is ultimately possession. - That's attention-seeking.
- That's their private life. - That's not right.
Let's say he's about to go crazy.
Would someone really go crazy from love?
Is it usually this serious?
"We'll see you again in four weeks."
(It's a Monday night that needs love.)
(Non Summit Meeting airs every Monday night at 10:50pm.)
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